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gwydionjhr
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Canada
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Posted - 10/10/2014 :  6:35:16 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I've been a loooong time lurker. We moved into our current house 4 years ago and it came equipped with 10 Line Voltage Thermostats. Right after we moved in I began hunting around to find a "smart" solution for controlling our home heating.

It's time to get off the pot. I've collected some interesting thoughts and ideas. I'd love to have you guys poke holes in these, but also, please point out possibilities I may have missed.

Not only do I want multi zone control of the heat in the house, but I'd also like to be able to have it do things like "if the bedroom window is open, turn off the heat in this room" (Because my wife sleeps in a separate room, and does this all the time, which drives me nuts)

I'll also mention that appearance, and Windows 8/WP8 compatibility are a plus.

Insteon
No need to go into details, lots of info on this forum. It ticks many of the boxes. But let's be honest, the design of the thermostats is the pits, it doesn't look that different than the one in my home in the '80s.

NuHeat Wifi Line Voltage Thermostat
http://www.nuheat.com/floor-heating/signature/

Specs:
  • Voltage: 120V/240V

  • Max Load @ 240v: 3600W

  • Max Load Amps: 15


Pros:
  • Attractive

  • Wi-Fi access from the web, but no WP8 app

  • Pretty much plug & play replacing the old TStats

  • Canadian. I called, and they confirmed immediately that these will work with Electric Baseboards


QUESTION: Would these be completely standalone, with no potential to integrate them into a wider SH setup?


Thermotouch 3.2aP
http://www.thermogroupuk.com/controls-accessories/my-thermotouch-32ap.html

Again, I called them, and although not approved for the NA market, the would still work. Not shown on the website is a new front plate that incorporates an ambient air temperature. This one is probably out of my price range.

Specs:
  • Voltage: 230V 50/60Hz

  • Max Load @ 240v: 3600W

  • Max Load Amps: 15


Pros:
  • Attractive

  • WP8 app

  • [*]Hour by hour programing
    [*]UI appears very intuitive[*]


Devilink
http://devi.danfoss.com/Professional/Products/Collection Floor Heating Thermostats/iframe_Devilink.htm
http://danfoss.ipapercms.dk/Heating/AutoGen/VBCKD102/

This is probably the one that came the closest to how I think I would like to control my home heating. A central "brain" and remote room sensors and relays to turn the heaters on/off based on a schedule and need. Pretty sure this is an absolute no-go for North America because it operates in the 868.42MHz band, but I could be wrong on that. I talked with DanFoss's American office, and they say they've been discussing bringing this to NA for two years, and probably another year before we'd see it here, if it ever arrives.

The interesting/relevant specs are for the Hidden Relay.

Specs:
Hidden Relay: http://danfoss.ipapercms.dk/Heating/AutoGen/22410_22991/ br / Operation voltage: 230V AC, 50Hz
Load: 2300W, 460VA, 600W Incandescent Bulbs

Room Sensor: http://danfoss.ipapercms.dk/Heating/AutoGen/22738_23483/ br /

Ecobee 3
https://www.ecobee.com/

This is capable of multi zone control. How exactly it could be adapted to control multiple base boards I would like to know.


And if I keep sitting on the pot, here are two I'll keep an eye on.

Caleo - LV Smart Thermostat
https://Spam/en/
https://www.[idea seeking investment/projects/casa/caleo-the-line-voltage-smart-thermostat?ref=nav_search

In the long run, this would probably be the simplest and most cost effective solution. I think the design is pretty disappointing for something coming out in 2014/15, and no Windows 8 support is a bummer.

Snugr
http://www.snugr.be/index.html
https://www.[ restricted ]/projects/snugr-control-all-your-heaters-from-anywhere

A Indiegogo intended for radiant baseboards, somewhere amongst all the stuff I've been wading through I saw a comment that they were looking to adapt it to be used with electric baseboards. Of course it looks really nice, so that means it's Europoean.

OK folks, thoughts?

gwydionjhr
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Canada
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Posted - 10/11/2014 :  4:32:24 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I should add this to the list. These are from Thermotouch in the USA. And if, like me, you need many, many thermostats controlled, this might be the most economical solution I've come across.

Master Control Unit: http://www.thermonetusa.com/index.php?src=directory&view=Consumer&category=Thermostats&query=category.eq.Thermostats&srctype=detail&back=Consumer&refno=38

Interface Relay Unit: http://www.thermonetusa.com/index.php?src=directory&view=Consumer&category=Thermostats&query=category.eq.Thermostats&srctype=detail&back=Consumer&refno=42
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gwydionjhr
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Canada
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Posted - 10/15/2014 :  01:46:38 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Just adding this to the list. BVF Heating Solutions. LineVoltage WiFi Thermostat that comes with a 16A relay and a hub.

http://thermostatwifi.com/bvf-601i-wi-fi-ready-smart-thermostat/
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gwydionjhr
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Canada
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Posted - 11/07/2014 :  10:25:34 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I think I just found the best solution yet for electric baseboard control. Reasonable cost, reasonable appearance, and platform agnostic thanks to a web interface. I've put a call in to see if they have any plans to allow integration with any other systems.

http://www.sinopetech.com/en
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crazymadandy
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Posted - 12/22/2014 :  11:20:38 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I just pre-ordered 5 of the Caleo thermostats. I will update the forum after I receive and install them.

Which one did you end up installing or are you still "on the pot"?
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gwydionjhr
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Canada
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Posted - 12/22/2014 :  7:56:02 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I went with the Sinope Tech, tremendous value IMO. 7 thermostats and the Hub was $525 + tax. The same thing in the Caleo would have been $900 + tax.
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crazymadandy
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Posted - 12/23/2014 :  11:40:47 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
My total was $605, shipping included, due to taking advantage of the pre-order promotion. And the state I live in has no sales tax, so they didn't add that to the total. I thought that the Sinope solution looked great, however, since I am going to be installing this in a short-term rental property, the Sinope gateway was an issue for me since devices have a tendency to "walk" out of the house and the less parts in the system, the better.

I won't be receiving the thermostats till next month, but I will be sure to update the forum once they are installed.

Have you installed the Sinopes yet? How are they working for you?
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gwydionjhr
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Canada
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Posted - 12/23/2014 :  11:43:37 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Yes, all are installed. I was really impressed with how easy the hub was to set up and how easy they were to program via the web. So easy in fact that I noticed my wife had gone in and re-programmed the schedule for her bedroom, sneaky one she is. :-)
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milesblewett
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Australia
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Posted - 04/09/2015 :  12:32:02 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi all,

I have electric baseboard at home and am currently looking into remotely controlling them via ST.

I know of this thermostat:
www . smarthome . com/aube-th115-a-240d-3600w-2-pole-baseboard-thermostat.html

I also know of this relay module:
www . fortrezz . com/index.php/products/mimolite

If I connect those two, theoretically, my thermostat is z-wave compatible. I know this works for insteon with no problems.
My question however is the following:
For ST, how would ST detect the thermostat and how difficult would it be to send/receive messages (i.e. set temp to 68 degrees)? I think this setup is different than the regular NEST setups.
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beartrash
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USA
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Posted - 07/06/2017 :  12:38:13 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I know this is an old thread, but I thought I'd ask anyway.

Does anyone know if any of the listed solutions work with IFTTT.com?
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