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bbarbour24
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Posted - 06/26/2017 :  12:03:56 PM  Show Profile  Visit bbarbour24's Homepage  Reply with Quote
I've done some research on smart thermostats and their compatibility with various heating systems.


To briefly summarize...

1. Nest, ecobee, and Honeywell Lyric work great with low voltage (24V) heating systems like furnaces, heat pumps, and radiant heat.

2. Mysa is the only smart thermostat that works with high voltage (110V-240V) heating systems like electric baseboard heaters or fan-forced heaters.


If you would like to see a features comparison, you can read this 3-minute blog post here: https://getmysa.com/blogs/2017/06/01/a-guide-to-smart-thermostats-which-one-works-for-me/


I hope this helps!

stusviews
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Posted - 06/26/2017 :  12:22:14 PM  Show Profile  Visit stusviews's Homepage  Reply with Quote
There are others, for example:

https://amazon.com/SIGNATURE-Touchscreen-Programmable-Dual-Voltage-Thermostat/dp/B00KHA6MEG/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1498504598&sr=8-1&keywords=baseboard+wifi+thermostat
https://amazon.com/King-Electric-ATMOZ1-240-WIFI-Voltage-Thermostat/dp/B01MT3XG7V/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1498504598&sr=8-4&keywords=baseboard+wifi+thermostat

and a device that allows you to use any WiFi thermostat with baseboard heating:
https://amazon.com/Aube-RC840T-240-Switching-Electric-Transformer/dp/B0037MXM1C/ref=sr_1_9?ie=UTF8&qid=1498504598&sr=8-9&keywords=baseboard+wifi+thermostat

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bbarbour24
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Posted - 06/26/2017 :  1:32:06 PM  Show Profile  Visit bbarbour24's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Stusviews, thanks for your response!

Those are definitely alternative thermostats for high voltage heating, but they are not smart thermostats. They can save you ~12% on your heating bill, whereas smart thermostats will save you ~20% on your heating bill. As you can imagine, that is a substantial difference after just a couple years.

Here are some key issues that we keep hearing for those alternatives:

1. Simple programmable or Wi-Fi thermostats lack the machine learning capabilities that exist in Nest, ecobee or Mysa. For example, a smart thermostat can use geo-fencing to detect when if you leave your house early or arrive late. This feature helps to really maximize your energy savings! You read more about the smart features at https://getmysa.com.

2. Programmable thermostats require you to re-program each thermostat when the power goes out. High voltage heating is common in the Northern US and Canada, so snowstorms are expected each winter. Programmable thermostats are also pretty complicated to set up and many people forget to re-program them after a blackout, so they don't actually receive the 12% savings. A smart thermostat allows your to create a heating schedule for all of your thermostats at once and it stores your heating schedule in the cloud, so you never have to re-program them again.

3. The Aube solution is too expensive. If you use an Aube relay to install Nest or ecobee in your house, then you need to purchase one for every smart thermostat in your house. If you want to install Nest in 5 rooms of your home, then you must buy 5 Nest thermostats (5 X $250 = $1,250 USD) + 5 relays (5 X $50 = $250 USD). That's $1,500 USD. It's definitely not very affordable or ideal!


Mysa Smart Thermostats are the only smart thermostats specifically designed for baseboard heaters. They are more affordable, more convenient, and save more money.
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Cielo
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Posted - 07/14/2017 :  12:47:22 AM  Show Profile  Visit Cielo's Homepage  Reply with Quote
You can try Cielo Breez Smart Wi-Fi Thermostat for ACs & Heat Pumps whih makes every ductless split Air Conditioner & Heat Pump smart. Breez smart controller lets you control your Air Conditioners and Heat Pumps through smartphone from anywhere in the world. On top of that, you can save up to 20% on energy bills.
Comprehensive usage statistics keep you informed about your consumption patterns.

https://www.cielowigle.com/
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kcmoelectrician
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Posted - 07/18/2017 :  10:15:23 AM  Show Profile  Visit kcmoelectrician's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Nest isn't bad only use for low voltage

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bbarbour24
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Posted - 07/18/2017 :  10:36:30 AM  Show Profile  Visit bbarbour24's Homepage  Reply with Quote
I agree. I've heard some good reviews about Nest, so I'm sure it works well with low voltage heating systems!
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LoneDadSurvivor
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Posted - 08/03/2017 :  6:47:24 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
We got a honeywell for quite some time already and it worked fine. But recently, it keeps disconnecting itself from our wifi, making us impossible to control it over our smartphones. Everything has to be done manually now.terrible. Rooting for Nest this time.
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smarthome112
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Posted - 08/13/2017 :  3:28:32 PM  Show Profile  Visit smarthome112's Homepage  Reply with Quote
I found a few decent write ups

http://intelligenthomeblog.com/tech/top-5-smart-thermostats/
CNET has one too and PC mag has a decent write up

I was thinking about the Ecobee but I wasn't sure
https://www.ecobee.com/
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stusviews
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Posted - 08/13/2017 :  5:07:19 PM  Show Profile  Visit stusviews's Homepage  Reply with Quote
What are you not sure about?

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