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parfu2
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Posted - 02/06/2018 :  08:55:03 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I recently replaced my old X10 wall switch with an Insteon ToggleLinc which is hooked up to my front porch lights.

When we had our security system installed years ago by ADT I had them program it so when a door or window was open a light would blink in my media room in case I didn't hear the chime. This is done on a separate code than my daily X10 lighting controllers, including the switch I am replacing.

However, now when there is an open door/window my porch lights blink and when the door/window is closed the lights go off and stay off until I manually turn them back on or send a signal.

This didn't happen with the X10 switch that I'm replacing.

Any thoughts/solutions would be greatly appreciated.

Scott M

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Posted - 02/06/2018 :  12:15:16 PM  Show Profile  Visit stusviews's Homepage  Reply with Quote
That's unusual. ADT doesn't have the capability to send Insteon signals at all. Did you add an X10 house/unit code to the ToggleLinc?

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parfu2
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Posted - 02/06/2018 :  3:47:07 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I did not add any codes. I linked it with my Hub. I was trying to move from X10 to Insteon by replacing several switches. This was my first swap. I didn't want to try others till I knew if this was a known issue and/or if there was a workaround. I thought that perhaps there was some X10 signal crossover since the systems are somewhat compatible.

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Posted - 02/06/2018 :  4:11:04 PM  Show Profile  Visit stusviews's Homepage  Reply with Quote
X10 and Insteon are not compatible at all. However, some older and a few newer Insteon device have the ability to add an X10 house/unit code.

The ToggleLinc maintains that feature. Sometimes, testing leave an X10 house/unit code in place. The on-line Owner's Manual has instructions for adding and/or removing an errant code.

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parfu2
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Posted - 02/06/2018 :  4:25:10 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Just to make sure I understand - you're referring to the Insteon/ToggleLinc manual, correct?
Because I don't want to do away with the ADT command if I can help it, I just don't want it being read/received by my Insteons.
And when I said compatible I meant I could possibly control some X10 switches with my Hub in the manner you stated.
Thanks for the help!

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parfu2
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Posted - 02/06/2018 :  4:48:24 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I see the instructions.
Q- if I remove the X10 Primary Address and/or Remove an X10 Scene Address won't that disable the ADT functionality with my remaining X10 device?

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oberkc
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Posted - 02/06/2018 :  5:14:55 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by parfu2

I see the instructions.
Q- if I remove the X10 Primary Address and/or Remove an X10 Scene Address won't that disable the ADT functionality with my remaining X10 device?



If you still need to control the device from your security system, and the security system uses X-10, then you will have to assign the X-10 address to the insteon device.

I believe the suggestion to remove an X-10 address from your device was in case in came from the factory with some residual address assigned. Were this me, I would remove from the hub, factory reset the togglelinc, add it back to the hub, then assign whatever X-10 address is used by the security system.
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Posted - 02/06/2018 :  5:51:07 PM  Show Profile  Visit stusviews's Homepage  Reply with Quote
A factory reset does not always remove an X10 address. Removing the X10 address from the ToggleLinc will not affect any other X10 or even any other Insteon device.

If you want the same functionality that you had with the old X10 wall switch, then you will have to add the old X10 wall switch house/unit code to the ToggleLinc, but as you are having some difficulty, you need to fix that first by removing any (unknown) X10 address from the ToggleLinc first and then test that there's no blinking before adding the correct X10 house/unit code to the ToggleLinc.

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parfu2
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Posted - 02/06/2018 :  5:57:10 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thanks for that clarification.
I'll try the steps you suggested minus the assignment of the X10 address- this isn't the switch I want associated with that function.
Appreciate it.

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parfu2
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Posted - 02/06/2018 :  6:05:54 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
For clarification - my ADT blinking light function is linked to an X10 plug in controller. I want to maintain that function.
I am changing out my X10 wall switches for my outside lighting for the Insteon ToggleLinc wall switches. These are set for dusk to dawn lighting. The X10 wall switches were a different X10 Code from the ADT command.

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parfu2
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Posted - 02/06/2018 :  7:38:42 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I removed it from my Hub via the app.
I reset the switch by pulling out the tab.
I tried repairing it with the Hub several times. I even got to 10 out of 10 tests once but it never connected.
I gave up for the night.
The switch works fine manually.
I let my dog out and when I came back inside and checked - the front porch light was off which means it is still getting the signal from the alarm system.
Tomorrow I'll try replacing the switch with a second one I had purchased for a different replacement.

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Tfitzpatri8
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Posted - 02/06/2018 :  7:41:09 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The x10 switches and Insteon switches wire up differently, are you certain you made the correct connections?

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parfu2
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Posted - 02/06/2018 :  7:43:53 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The X10 only had 2 wires - no white common like the Insteon has/needs.

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Tfitzpatri8
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Posted - 02/06/2018 :  8:05:04 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Did you run new wiring? Are you certain you connected to uninterrupted hot and neutral, not a switched hot?

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parfu2
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Posted - 02/06/2018 :  8:22:14 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Existing wiring.
Single switch but in with several other switches.
I can try swapping the other 2 wires while keeping the White as is.

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parfu2
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Posted - 02/07/2018 :  12:01:50 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Success, sort of.
I swapped the wires but then the switch didn't operate at all.
I decided to change this switch out for one of the other ones I purchased (same model).
After a few attempts I got that one to connect to the Hub.
AND, it doesn't blink when a door or window is open!!
I'll try installing the first switch in another location. Hopefully, it's blinking days are over.

Thanks for all the suggestions!

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Tfitzpatri8
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Posted - 02/07/2018 :  12:25:29 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Be sure to do a factory reset on the original switch once you install it.

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parfu2
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Posted - 02/07/2018 :  12:45:35 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Will do, thanks.
I'll update when I get to that switch install.

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parfu2
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Posted - 02/08/2018 :  12:13:57 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Update

I installed the first switch in a new location. I performed the Factory Reset. The unit no longer responded to the ADT signal.
HOWEVER, when I went to add the device to my HUB via the app the switch immediately began receiving the ADT signal (I had a door open at the time) and the light it controlled began blinking.
Should I assume the switch is faulty or is there some other reset and I can try.
Please also note that on the 15th I'm switching from ADT to Comcast/Xfinity for my home security. So the ADT X10 signal may be gone by then. But I won't know till next week.

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Posted - 02/08/2018 :  12:35:51 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Your situation is unique because of all the legacy hardware involved. You’ll need to do another factory reset, then ensure that no other controllers in the house are transmitting x10 signals while the switch is in programming mode. Otherwise you risk accidentally programming the switch to respond to x10 signals.

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parfu2
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Posted - 02/08/2018 :  12:43:26 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I don't have access to the ADT programming to prevent that.
I assume it's odd that it's just the one switch and not both that behave this way.

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parfu2
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Posted - 02/08/2018 :  1:26:16 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Figured it out!
I'm just slow at times.
Realized if I kept all the doors closed the ADT wouldn't send the signal.
Reset, programmed and working.
Thanks again for all the help!

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BLH
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Posted - 02/08/2018 :  4:08:29 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Glad you found the solution.
Your situation was unique.
The ToggleLinc still accepts an X10 address added. Most Insteon modules have removed X10 support. The ADT was sending the X10 code while you where adding it to the HUB.
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parfu2
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Posted - 03/04/2018 :  06:37:45 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Additional Update

I've run into a couple of issues -
First, I added Xfinity Home Security to my package. This resulted in several reboots to their modem/router. Each time they did this it knocked my 2242 HUB offline for extended periods of time and rendered several of my switches and plugins inoperable, including my troublesome switch. That switch is always the last to come back online and on more than one occasion I had to re-pair it. And, if I didn't do it correctly, it would resynch with that X-10 blinking command. So far, the last re-pairing seems to have stuck.

Second, I have 2 LampLinc Dimmer plugin modules (2457D2). Ever since the Xfinity upgrade one unit will drop off or at least not follow it's scheduled on/off routine. It's stubborn but eventually it settles back on track. However, last night it came on exactly an hour early. I could only turn it off by using the button on the device. I checked the schedule via the app and resaved it in hopes of 'teaching' it again. It did not turn on as scheduled. I tried re-pairing it which seemed to work. But, here's the kicker - now IT picked up that x-10 security signal and blinks when a door or window opens and then shuts off! This device never did that before.

I have recently purchased the 2245 HUB since this will supposedly work with Alexa and, possibly, my Xfinity Home system. The 2242 HUB only works via my app when I am on my home WiFi so this new HUB could prove more user friendly. (I know there is a Port Forwarding option but I could never get that set up correctly).

Anyway, I thought you might be interested in the new wrinkle with that X-10 signal.

Scott M
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Tfitzpatri8
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Posted - 03/04/2018 :  10:18:55 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Trying to stick with 1970s vintage x10 signals is like trying to keep a Ford Pinto as your daily driver.

When you get on the modern interstate that is your home wiring and all the traffic is passing you doing 85 MPH, your Pinto x10 is stuck in the slow lane. That new cable box just added a new pothole to your lane, the same way each other bit of modern electronics (energy-saving light bulbs, computer and phone chargers, TVs and cable boxes, even remotely readable electric company meters) each added incremental potholes or shredded tires as interference.

The increments add up, until eventually, there’s no part of the lane left to drive in.

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parfu2
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Posted - 03/04/2018 :  4:14:34 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
In fairness, I wasn't trying to stick with the X-10. The signal is still being sent by the ADT security board. For some reason it is being randomly grabbed by my Insteon switches and plug adapters. It's not something I'm trying to capture. I'm trying to move on but the 70's won't let me go!

Also, tonight, my other plug-in adapter worked as scheduled but my outdoor lights which are controlled by my wall switches have yet to come on as scheduled.

Guess it's time to install the 2245 HUB and see what happens.

Scott M
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Posted - 03/04/2018 :  4:17:14 PM  Show Profile  Visit stusviews's Homepage  Reply with Quote
That's absolutely true. X10 was fantastic during its day and still is in isolated situations, but it can cause difficulties in a modern home filled with electronics that weren't even on the drawing board during X10's hayday.

A few devices still rely on X10 (e.g., Homelink, ADT) because it's both inexpensive and readily available and no longer protected with a patent, three points that are hard to beat. I guess we'll be stuck with it for the foreseeable future. Too bad.

The best we can hope for is that a workaround exists.

BTW, you do not need to mess with port forwarding with the Insteon Hub nor should you. It's all taken care of "behind the scenes." That's an advantage for the end user.

What's the specific difficulty you are having? It may be best to start a new topic.

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parfu2
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Posted - 03/04/2018 :  4:30:21 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thanks Stu.

It's kind of a continuation regarding the random picking up of the old X-10 alarm signal by the Insteon switches.

My desire for the port forwarding is so that I can check on the devices and turn lights on/off remotely if they aren't behaving as programmed or if I just need to do so outside of the the programmed times.
I'm also hopeful that the newer 2245 HUB will provide a bit more stability than the 2242 model.

If my problems persist, I'll start a thread dealing with the HUB itself. This was more of a follow up update.

Thanks again.

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OK, I switched to the newer 2245 HUB - but my plug in module still responds to the X-10 signal for an open door. This is after unplugging, resetting, deleting from the prior HUB and account, setting up a new account and pairing it to the new HUB. At this point I'm just going to assume that my old X-10 system is haunting me and doesn't want to say goodbye.

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Posted - 03/04/2018 :  9:33:12 PM  Show Profile  Visit stusviews's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Did you try a factory reset for the errant device itself? If that doesn't work, then you'll need an X10 controller to delete the X10 house/unit code.

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Posted - 03/05/2018 :  06:25:28 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I thought I had done the reset but either it didn't take or I did it wrong.
All good now.
Hopefully the haunting is over.
Thanks for the advice!

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