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x10guru
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Posted - 05/09/2018 :  1:08:01 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Is there an official list of which current production Insteon modules still support X10? Maybe Tfitzpatri8 could get this information directly? I have found that this forum (and others) has in the past sometimes contained incorrect information on this subject. Likewise, the marketing information and manuals on the Smarthome and Insteon websites cannot be trusted to provide accurate up-to-date information as it pertains to this subject. At the very least, the list should include X10 support status for the following modules: 2477D, 2477S, 2334-222, 2334-232, 2475DA1, 2475SDB, 2635-222, 2457D2, 2450, 2442-222, 2443-222, and 2444-222. It would also be beneficial to know for each module whether or not the X10 support includes X10 Scenes. And finally, the list should state for each module the current production version number (Vx.xx).

Edited by - x10guru on 05/09/2018 1:08:51 PM

lilyoyo1
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Posted - 05/09/2018 :  3:43:31 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
No list needed as insteon is actively removing x10 from all of their devices. None of the few that still have support is capable of x10 scenes

X10 compatible:
Plms
2450 (iolinc)
Micro modules
Inlinelincs
2466



Edited by - lilyoyo1 on 05/09/2018 6:23:44 PM
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Tfitzpatri8
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Posted - 05/09/2018 :  3:46:14 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I don’t have that info, you’d need to contact INSTEON directly to discuss your needs.

Even if they’ve dropped support for that protocol in all production lines, they may still have a supply of new-old stock in the corner of a warehouse to support legacy customers.

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x10guru
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Posted - 05/09/2018 :  7:03:05 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The list from lilyoyo1 seems correct, but incomplete, if one goes by what is stated in the manuals.

The latest manual for the 2334-222 and 2334-232 keypads is dated 7/25/2013, and the manual states that X10 and X10 scenes are supported. I have a 2334-222 keypad, V7.8, date code 5115, and it does indeed support X10 and X10 scenes.

The latest manual for the 2477D dimmer switch is dated 2/10/2015, and the manual does not say whether or not X10 is supported. However, I have a 2477D dimmer switch, V7.8, date code 0816, which does indeed support X10 and X10 scenes (contrary to what one might infer from the manual).

So I was hoping someone who has purchased one of these keypads or dimmer switches recently, say in 2018, could confirm whether or not current production versions of these still support X10. Not much of a response yet, it seems as if I am in enemy territory here, this being a Insteon forum, not a X10 forum.
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lilyoyo1
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Posted - 05/09/2018 :  7:36:03 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Rev 7.8 came out years ago while they still had x10. The latest revision I am aware of it being removed was 8.2 which was last year. I don't use x10 but my information came from a reliable source so i am comfortable passing on that information. Yes the kpl dimmers did support x10 back in 2013. As many can attest the 2487s stopped supporting x10 years ago but the manual still shows support for it.

You could contact insteon directly for more information.

Edited by - lilyoyo1 on 05/09/2018 7:46:03 PM
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x10guru
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Posted - 05/09/2018 :  8:07:38 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Back in February I emailed Insteon tech support and asked about X10 support for the Dimmer Keypad 2334-222 and the Dimmer Switch 2477D. At first, James from Insteon tech support told me that the Dimmer Keypads and Dimmer Switches are no longer X10 compatible. But this is contrary to what it still says in the latest manual for the Keypad. I wanted to get this straight, so I questioned Insteon tech support again, asking ... is the Keypad manual incorrect?

Sean (from Insteon tech support) replied: "At this time we have not removed the X10 compatibility out of our devices but we have stopped advertising the X10 functionality. We do expect in the next year or so to completely remove this feature as supporting X10 is not a part of our future road map and we never intended to keep that functionality for the long haul. When the change happens we will make an announcement on the Insteon.com site and remove the X10 references in the manuals. We started giving out the message you received over a year ago to help mitigate the pain when we finally make that move….so it won’t be a surprise… but for now they are still compatible."

So it is difficult to know who or what to believe. Maybe I will just have to order a 2334-222 Keypad and find out for myself.
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x10guru
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Posted - 05/15/2018 :  5:36:48 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I just purchased a new 2334-222 Dimmer Keypad and a new 2477D Dimmer Switch from Smarthome. I bench tested both, and both still support X10, as I was able to add an X10 address by following the usual method in the instruction manual. The 2334-222 Dimmer Keypad is Revision 8.8 with date code 4517, and the 2477D Dimmer Switch is Revision 8.2 with date code 3117.
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BLH
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Posted - 05/16/2018 :  03:12:49 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thank you for the update.
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