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BritInVA
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Posted - 01/02/2019 :  12:29:29 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I just had to replace an older 8-button keypad which died (was about 9yrs old). It was KeypadLinc V2 Dimmer 2486DW.

One of the scenes I had was an 'All Off' scene that sent Off command to all the Insteon devices and to the keypad buttons to turn off any LED's.

Replacement is Dimmer Keypad 8 Button 2334-222.

I cannot get this Keypad to just send Off command.

When Changing the Button Modes seems to just go Between Toggle and Always On mode..... never getting Always Off.

Button is H and programming direct on Keypad.

Any ideas?

Edited by - BritInVA on 01/02/2019 12:31:29 PM

oberkc
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Posted - 01/02/2019 :  12:46:24 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Are you using a hub of some type, or manual process?
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BritInVA
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Posted - 01/03/2019 :  06:59:38 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Programming direct on Keypad.
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oberkc
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Posted - 01/03/2019 :  11:32:14 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Weird. I looked at the manual for the keypad and it clearly (though I guess there is some ambiguity...it describes three modes, toggle, and on! Is that three?) has the method for configuring the button into non-toggle off.

At the risk of asking an obvious and stupid question...you are using the method in the manual, correct? From the manual:
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You can change any button to any one of 3 button modes (we recommend using home-managementsoftware such as HouseLinc):
•Toggle – toggles between on and off commands each time it is tapped
•Always On – sends on every time it is tapped
Note: You cannot change the dedicated ON and OFF buttons in 6-buttonconfiguration.
4)Tap the scene button you want to change
5)Press and hold Keypad’s Set button until it beeps
The scene button’s LED will begin blinking and Set button LED will blink green
All illuminated LEDs on Keypad will brighten to 100%
6)Press and hold Keypad’s Set button it beeps again
The button LEDs will continue blinking and Set button LED will blink red
7) Press and hold Keypad’s Set button until it beeps a third time
The button LEDs will stop blinking
The button function rotates to the next mode in the cycle: Toggle → Always Off→ Always On→ Toggle
8)Tap the button several times to confirm it is now in the desired state
9)If you wish to rotate button mode again, return to step 2
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x10guru
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Posted - 01/04/2019 :  07:08:42 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The "Always Off" mode was removed from keypads many years ago. About the time Dual-Band keypads came out. The owners manual was never updated. If one has an ISY, you can of course implement a simple work-around.
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BritInVA
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Posted - 01/04/2019 :  10:58:25 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
oberkc - Yes that's the method being using

x10guru - that sucks if true. Why on earth would they remove that! seems weird - how do I confirm - ring them or they look at the forum?
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oberkc
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Posted - 01/04/2019 :  12:50:08 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
that sucks if true.


Boy, I agree.

I use the ISY-994. I can say that I have a couple of keypads identified as 2334-2 (which I believe are dual-band) and that one is non-toggle-OFF and it works well. I tried configuring another keypad button using ISY and it seemed to work.

I would be disappointed to learn that newer versions lost this ability.
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x10guru
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Posted - 01/04/2019 :  1:57:08 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
If you search the forums, there are references in old posts to the "non-toggle off mode" as having been removed. As I recall, the Insteon tech folks thought it was a confusing mode, so in their infinite wisdom, they removed the ability to set it up manually. I don't have an ISY, but others have posted that you can still use an ISY to set up a button in non-toggle off mode. It seems as if oberkc has confirmed this. You just can't do it manually anymore, as BritInVA has found out.
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BritInVA
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Posted - 01/07/2019 :  07:11:59 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
That really sucks, I have 3 other keypads that have All Off mode............ so only way is to spend another $180 on an ISY!
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x10guru
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Posted - 01/07/2019 :  08:24:26 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
You could just buy a 2486 keypad from eBay to replace the one that failed. All the old keypads, however, such as the 2486, have poor reliability, as they are prone to failure from power surges. The Dual Band keypads are reliable, as they have the revised/improved power supply circuitry.
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