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lars36
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Posted - 02/05/2019 :  12:28:53 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Since no longer selling Insteon A19 Remote Control Dimmable LED Bulb, Warm White are any other smart bulbs that will work w/mini remote?
Thanks

oberkc
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Posted - 02/05/2019 :  2:58:35 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Not directly, as far as I know. The only option that I can think of would be to put the fixture/lamp on an insteon switch or module.

For what it is worth, I believe putting fixtures or lamps on a switch or module is a better option, anyhow. I have found very limited use for a light bulb that has the control brains built-in.
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lilyoyo1
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Posted - 02/06/2019 :  04:50:00 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Are you using any type of controller such as the ISY or hub
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lars36
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Posted - 02/06/2019 :  06:18:59 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
No ISY or hub. Will have a Qolsys panel. Just looking for a smart bulb that would work with the Mini Remote.
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BLH
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Posted - 02/06/2019 :  2:38:13 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The Mini-Remote and the Insteon LED bulbs. Use the Insteon RF Frequency of 915MHz.
Unless you can find an LED bulb. To process the Mini-Remotes 915MHz RF signals and control the LED bulb. You may have a difficult time.
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lars36
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Posted - 02/06/2019 :  3:04:29 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Looks like this would work. Bulb is Frequency:915Mhz / 868Mhz /433Mhz https://www.loratap.com/wireless-dimmer-light-kit-sb201ks-whi/#1496286852485-d8b1e505-2c0d
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oberkc
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Posted - 02/06/2019 :  6:08:29 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I would be amazed if these bulbs work with the insteon mini-remote. I see no mention of insteon capability.
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BLH
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Posted - 02/07/2019 :  03:38:32 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I also doubt that the Insteon protocol is used. As it is patented and needs Smartlabs licensing.

The bulbs in your link. Read like they have their own control protocol on the 915MHz RF frequency.

915MHz is used by many electronic devices. As it is one of the frequencies allotted for electronic devices to use unlicensed just meets FCC standards. Using the same 915MHz frequency will not guarantee a Mini-Remote would work.

You may have to go to a Insteon Module controlling the off the shelf LED bulbs. That is controlled by the Mini-Remote



Edited by - BLH on 02/07/2019 03:48:51 AM
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lars36
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Posted - 02/07/2019 :  08:15:09 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
According to this it will work:https://www.smarthome.com/sc-what-technology Insteon has Brand Interoperability, so it sounds like to me Insteon will work with different bands.
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BLH
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Posted - 02/07/2019 :  10:29:07 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
That chart shows the different protocols compared. It does not mean Insteon will work with them.

Some may work if you have a HUB or ISY994i to control the other protocols. Depending on what protocol you are trying to use.

The LED bulbs you linked too. Look like they have their own proprietary protocol.
I doubt an Insteon Mini-Remote will control them.

If you really think you have a shot at it. Get one and see if it can. Then let us know.
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lars36
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Posted - 02/07/2019 :  11:14:10 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Insteon has "Brand Interoperability":https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=interoperability+definition&&view=detail&mid=3172623FA0CBFBF6FB243172623FA0CBFBF6FB24&&FORM=VRDGAR
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BLH
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Posted - 02/07/2019 :  12:51:50 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Maybe you can ask in the Insteon Forums for added information.
https://forum.insteon.com/


Edited by - BLH on 02/07/2019 12:55:59 PM
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lars36
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Posted - 02/07/2019 :  1:12:02 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Will be ordering tonight and will advise how I made out, thanks everyone for your posts. Lars36
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lilyoyo1
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Posted - 02/07/2019 :  5:57:30 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Insteon uses 915 to send it's OWN signal not simply talk to a 915mhz device. That bulb WILL NOT work with Insteon without some type of device in between translating the signal.

Interoperability does not mean it'll work with every single thing out there. If you notice on that page, all that it discusses in terms of usage is insteon devices.

I would listen to the advice of the members as they are extensive users and posters for quite some time. There's a great wealth of knowledge and experience responding. In the end experience is the best teacher. While it won't work at least you'll be able to see for yourself. The only thing you'll be out of is time and money.

Edited by - lilyoyo1 on 02/07/2019 6:11:39 PM
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lars36
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Posted - 02/07/2019 :  7:34:00 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I'd like to thank everyone for their help and being positive.
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