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Carter Dunlap
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Posted - 12/05/2019 :  07:24:06 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I have two outdoor light circuits controlled by two RF self-powered switch/receiver links. One is kaput so looking to replace.

In addition to controlling the circuit from the existing switch, I'd like to also be able to also control it wirelessly (ie iPhone by WiFi)

Is there an obvious solution? Me thinks I have to have power at the switch plate if I move to WiFi. If so I just do a like kind RF replacement.

Have spent a lot of time shopping and still confused!
THanks for your input.

oberkc
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Posted - 12/05/2019 :  4:10:07 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Well, there are some switches I have seen (and tried a couple, from Leviton) that are apple HomeKit and direct wifi. If all you want is a couple of switches and remote control with your iPhone, this might be perfect for you. You will need unstitched hot and neutral, along with the load conductors at the switch box location. I would not expect this to work with a large quantity of switches, and assume it requires a reasonable wifi signal at the switch location. While there are some basic timers in Homekit, I find it falls short for more sophisticated automation.
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Carter Dunlap
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Posted - 12/05/2019 :  9:29:36 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Oberkc
Thanks for the response.
However, I have an RF wireless connection from my wall plate to a receiver that controls an outdoor circuit of lights.
So those solutions allow me to control the switch it doesn't go anywhere unless I can access the receiver.
I need a receiver that can mount in a junction box that controls the line circuit.
THis is what it looks like in RF. https://www.amazon.com/RunLessWire-3-Way-Wireless-Switch-configurations/dp/B012H6QZVC/ref=sr_1_5?keywords=self-powered%2Brf%2Bswitch%2Band%2Breceiver&qid=1575610111&sr=8-5&th=1
Let me know if I'm missing something.Thanks
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oberkc
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Posted - 12/06/2019 :  04:05:54 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
OK. I don't think I have seen an apple HomeKit version of this receiver. Besides, I don't know that apple HomeKit devices can control one-another.

My primary home automation system includes insteon, z-wave, hue, and a few other devices. None speak directly to wifi, but can be controlled via a hub. Insteon and z-wave both have remote-controlled outlets. Insteon also has a little "micro module" that is very much similar to the receiver you referenced. Unfortunately, you would also need a hub of some sort to bridge these devices to the outside world.

Insteon switch: https://www.smarthome.com/2477s-alt
Micro module: https://www.smarthome.com/insteon-2443-222-micro-on-off-module.html
Hub: https://www.smarthome.com/insteon-2245-222-hub.html

Possible alternate devices that could interest you:
box-mountable receiver: https://www.smarthome.com/in-linelinc-relay-insteon-2475sdb-remote-control-in-line-on-off-switch-dual-band.html
outlet with receiver built in: https://www.smarthome.com/insteon-2663-222-on-off-outlet-white.html
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Carter Dunlap
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Posted - 12/06/2019 :  07:30:56 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
oberkc
Thank you for your continued support of my pursuit.
As much as I would like to add a hub and wirelessly control more circuits, etc my main issue is controlling this circuit. The Achilles heel is that my wall switch has NO power and is not wired to the circuit - it is just screwed in the wall. It creates a piezo charge that generates an RF signal that is received by a receiver in an outlet box. So while the switch listed would add wireless access the switch requires a wired connection which I can't create (without a lot of construction) If I'm missing something, please let me know. Otherwise I think I'm stuck with replacing the same RF solution. Thanks again.
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oberkc
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Posted - 12/06/2019 :  12:29:09 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
If I'm missing something, please let me know.


No. It is not you missing things. It is me.

For a wireless insteon solution at the switch, there is a battery operated "remotelinc". I am not sure that this will be ideal for your situation, though. Given what you have stated so far, I suspect the insteon route will be unnecessarily expensive and complicated. If you had bigger goals with automation, I might see things differently.

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Carter Dunlap
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Posted - 12/06/2019 :  1:33:56 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Well by continuing I keep seeing other possibilities.
It seems this combo would work for primary control and wireless control = if only they were on the same frequency.
I'll keep looking....

https://www.smarthome.com/skylinkhome-md-318-remote-controllable-wire-in-on-off-dimming-control-module-300-watts.html on 318MHz

https://www.smarthome.com/insteon-2342-242-mini-remote-switch.html but 915Mhz
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BLH
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Posted - 12/06/2019 :  3:25:50 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
How about the Insteon On Off or Dimmer Micro Module? They wire into the electrical box. Like the Skylink. The Mini remote can control it. There is a wall mount for the Mini Remote if you want to mount it on a flat surface. The mount does not hold the remote in an electrical box

https://www.smarthome.com/insteon-2443-222-micro-on-off-module.html

https://www.smarthome.com/insteon-2442-222-micro-dimmer-module.html

https://www.smarthome.com/mini-remote-wall-mount-bracket.html

Even if the two modules you linked. Where on the same RF frequency. They still would not work together. Completely different messaging protocols.

Edited by - BLH on 12/06/2019 3:30:28 PM
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oberkc
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Posted - 12/06/2019 :  6:29:20 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I did not recall the single-scene mini remote. This could be a good option, but I wonder how long the rechargeable batteries would last and how convenient it would be to remove from the wall and recharge. In conduction with the micro module, this could be a viable solution for you. Of course, you would need something like the hub to provide the internet-based control you seek.
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Carter Dunlap
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Posted - 12/07/2019 :  10:18:25 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
BLH
Thank you for jumping on the thread. I appreciate the added insights but I'm still a little stymied.

It looks like 2443 and 2442 are meant to attach to a powered wall switch - no?
Right now i have a wall mount plate and an RF switch with no power or wiring and the RF receiver in line with the lighting circuit.
The most direct swap would be a straight RF solution like this RunLessWire Simple Wireless Switch Kit, Self-Powered Rocker Switch, No Wire Light Control Kit Or Leviton's Leviton WSS0S-S9W RF switch and their receiver Leviton WSP20-9D0 LevNet RF 902 MHz Line Voltage Relay Receiver, 100-277V, 50/60 Hz
But as I started out, I would like to upgrade and also add "remote" wireless control. But without power to the switch I see no way to add that extra feature.
I am pretty tech savvy and run home and my business networks, ervers, etc but this area has really confused me!
THanks again

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Carter Dunlap
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USA
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Posted - 12/07/2019 :  10:31:56 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Now for something completely different!
If I can't have remote wireless maybe a go to the effort of powering the switch plate I can make the switch work manual wirelessly and remote wireless.
THen ? becomes what protocol. May want a hub at some point but not this moment.
House has 3 SOnos, 2 Alexa and a robust WiFi net with extenders.
Does that mean stick with 810.11 WiFi?
Thanks one more time.....
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