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Daddyo
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Posted - 12/30/2019 :  5:56:40 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I have a Smart Home system for over 20 years and works nearly flawlessly(maybee once a month I will have a hiccup).

I have extra lamp modules stored in my closet that I wanted to add a 1 lamp to. Needless to say could not get this or any of the modules i had stored to "click" on or off. I purchased a new module and this too does not work on ANY UNIT number with my house code. I also tried to use a existing working unit number and the original module went on/off but the new one I added does not.

Of course I move a working Lamp module and plug it into the same outlet that the others would not work in, and it responds perfectly with the remote.

So by these modules sitting around for 20 years NOT USED (in air conditioned and heated house) simply freeze up? Is there any way to "wake these things up" or test/tell if they are truly bad?

Tfitzpatri8
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Posted - 12/30/2019 :  7:22:26 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
X10 modules come in two varieties. Relay modules make a ‘clunk’ sound when they switch between on/off; dimmers are silent, but can only be used with dimmable loads. Which are you trying to use?

In either case, the first step to troubleshoot is probably to rotate both the house and unit dials back and forth a few times to clean the contacts.
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Daddyo
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Posted - 12/30/2019 :  8:15:35 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I have LM465 Modules. I just rotated the dials on all 3 modules like a washing machine(back and forth) set to house code and unit code. Unit is stuck in ON position. I initially had a lamp with 60 watt bulb that stays lit when I connect it to the LM465 will not turn off. When testing the faulty LM465's in different outlets I do not have anything plugged into it, I am listing for the click.
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Tfitzpatri8
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Posted - 12/30/2019 :  8:37:29 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
LM465 is a dimmer, so it operates silently. Are you using a plug-in controller? You might try setting the controller to m1 and retesting, I believe that’s the address they default to if the contacts are dirty or broken.
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BLH
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Posted - 12/31/2019 :  03:19:43 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
M13 is the no code wheel address. You may want to try.

What kind of load is on the problem module? That age of LM465 has Local Control Sensing. If the load is not incandescent but maybe dimmable LED. Some can trigger the LM465 to turn On. Where if it was turned Off and you turned the lamps local switch. From On to Off and back On. The light would turn on with out an X10 On command to its address.

If it is always On and can't be controlled. It may have some failed electronics.
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Daddyo
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Posted - 01/01/2020 :  07:28:41 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Guys thanks for your help. I ordered another new LM465 and this one works. So simply the ones I had are bad. Guess noting last forever unplugged in it's original box, in a closet. Although I have a appliance module in the damp/humid crawl space of my house that turns on and off my house lights daily for past 20 years, that still works flawlessly. Go figure.. Thanks again for your time and assistance.
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BLH
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Posted - 03/23/2021 :  03:15:20 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The triac used for the dimmer output. Probably shorted. So it was constantly On even when the LM465 was telling it be off.
A momentary heavy current from a bulb burning out can damage it if the filament ends contacted each other as it burned out. Or it was connected to an not compatible inductive load like a motor or transformer.
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bevhoward
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Posted - 03/31/2021 :  2:03:53 PM  Show Profile  Visit bevhoward's Homepage  Reply with Quote
>> Old Units <<

A common X10 failure mode is for the contact prongs on the back side of the address wheels to come off. They are attached by small bumps on the back of the plastic disks that are partially melted to hold the metal in place.

fwiw, I have repaired many of these by using the tip of a soldering iron to re-melt the plastic to re-secure the contact strips

>> Back & Forth like a Washing Machine <<

Doing that is one way of cleaning the address contact surfaces... but, it only works if the contact strips are still attached.

>> stuck on <<

Assuming that these are "standard" x10 units, unplugging and reconnecting the cord (or turning the lamp switch on/off) will toggle any controller that is OFF to ON.

Conversely, unplugging a lamp module that is ON from the wall and then plugging it back into the wall socket should toggle the X10 state to OFF (I think this also works on appliance modules, but not sure)

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BLH
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Posted - 03/31/2021 :  3:20:41 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The appliance module has a ratchet switch in it and will not revert to Off when unplugged. Stays in the state it was when the power was cycled.
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barmaley
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Posted - 04/04/2021 :  11:57:11 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Any item has an expiration date even if it is not used. Do you think that a woman who is not touched and does not look at her will be the same young in 40 years? The same thing happens with other things. I tried to resuscitate my lamp module in the kitchen, changed the core. After the fire, I freaked out and just ordered cleaning professionals to clean up all the dirt and soot. Thank God I managed to find the reasons - it was raccoons that chewed through some wires (why didn't they get electrocuted?).

Edited by - barmaley on 04/04/2021 11:58:22 PM
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bevhoward
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Posted - 04/05/2021 :  07:35:54 AM  Show Profile  Visit bevhoward's Homepage  Reply with Quote
>> why didn't they get electrocuted? <<

I think they respond to electricity the same way we respond to hot spices in our food ;-)

fwiw, my experiences show that many women in their 70's and beyond are actually much younger in spirit than teens and twenty somethings... age is irrelevant, and that includes X10... I still have a few modules and a controller that date back to the late 1970's that work better than the current crop of "new" X10 devices.

Beverly Howard

Edited by - bevhoward on 04/05/2021 07:40:50 AM
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