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arantius
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Posted - 02/06/2021 :  3:14:50 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I've got X10 devices installed around my home. I'm happy with them, and I don't want to replace the large number of devices I've got which work great. Except I do want one better LED compatible dimmer. The X10 dimmers I have are incompatible (buzzing, flickering). A non-remote-controllable dimmer I have works fantastically.

I think an Insteon 2477D could do both though, and it should be able to bridge into my existing X10 system as well. But it seems to require slightly unusual commands, which send the address and on/off codes separately? Specifically:

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2. Send the desired X10 Primary Address followed by the ON 3 times (e.g. A1-AON A1-AON A1-AON)


I'm not sure if I have anything that can send an "A1" or "AON" command (I think it sends a single command to encode both A1 and ON)? I've got a variety of RF remotes including a CM19A and a RR501 to bridge that to power line. Will simply pressing the "ON" button for device one three times program the X10 address of an Insteon switch? If not: A) why are the instructions written in such a strange way and B) what's the cheapest/easiest device I can obtain for this one time sending of a few signals?

BLH
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Posted - 02/06/2021 :  3:42:16 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Did you hold the Set Button until the Status LED started to flash. Before you sent the X10 sequences? Most X10 controllers send the X10 address then the House Code On or Off. Like A1 AON when you send a command.

Here is what a HR12A Palm Pad sends with a single button push. First the Address and then the command.
R: B1 - 6:59:45 PM 2/6/2021
R: BOn - 6:59:45 PM 2/6/2021

So you should be able to use most X10 remotes or controllers to program the switch. I have used the HR12A to do my X10 Primary Addresses in my Insteon modules.

What program are you using with the CM19A to control your X10 devices or do you also have any other X10 senders like a remote thorough the RR501?

X10 support was officially dropped awhile back. Though some modules still unofficially could except an X10 Primary Address.

What is the hardware revision of the 2477D? It can usually be found on a white sticker on the switch. Along with the 6 digit Insteon ID and date code. There is the possibility your module if new may no longer support an X10 Primary Address.

Edited by - BLH on 02/06/2021 4:07:33 PM
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BLH
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Posted - 02/06/2021 :  4:13:52 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
This is dated so somethings I know are no longer available. Like the scene address.
https://www.smarthome.com/pages/insteon-x10-programming
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arantius
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Posted - 02/06/2021 :  5:41:55 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thanks for your reply! I haven't bought the Insteon switch yet, as I wanted to be sure I could make it work the way I like (though I've read that, official or not, the latest (8.2) revision does support X10). On your advice, I think I'll pull the trigger, and be sure to check which revision I'm getting. I'll report back.
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BLH
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Posted - 02/07/2021 :  03:45:34 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
X10's wall switches are two wire and steal power through the Load.

JV Digital Engineering use to have a LED Shunt module. That made X10 wall switches work with LED loads. As the switches had to try and steal power through the LED Load.

The 2477D needs a Neutral connection along with the Line and Load. Make sure you have a Neutral connection where you want to use it or it will not work.

If you are using AHP. Make sure you define it from the Older Lamps (No Soft Start) list. If defined from the Lamps list Extended X10 messages will be used for dimming and the 2477D will not understand it.

Glad you checked on X10 Primary Address still supported. As I have not seen anything recently.

Edited by - BLH on 02/07/2021 03:48:18 AM
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x10guru
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Posted - 02/07/2021 :  9:19:42 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by BLH

This is dated so somethings I know are no longer available. Like the scene address.
https://www.smarthome.com/pages/insteon-x10-programming



Many Insteon devices still support X10, and a few even still support X10 Scenes.

Here is a list of all the Insteon devices currently on the Smarthome website, and their X10 support status. (Note that some of the devices may not be currently available or may have already been discontinued.)

Hubs and Interfaces:
2245-222 Hub Central Controller (no X10 support)
2413S PLM Serial Modem Interface (X10 supported)
2413U PLM USB Modem Interface (X10 supported)
2448A7 Portable USB Adapter and Home Control Interface (no X10 support)

Switches:
2477D Dimmer Switch (X10 & X10 Scenes supported)
2474D 2-Wire Dimmer Switch (no X10 support)
2475F Ceiling Fan and Light Control Module (X10 supported)
2466S On/Off Switch, Toggle (X10 supported)
2466D Dimmer Switch, Toggle (X10 supported)
2475DA1 In-Line Dimmer Switch (X10 supported)
2475SDB In-Line On/Off Switch (X10 supported)
2477S On/Off Switch (X10 & X10 Scenes supported)
2477DH Dimmer Switch High Wattage (unknown X10 support status)
2342-242 Mini Remote Control Switch, 1 Scene (no X10 support)
2453-222 DIN Rail On/Off Switch (X10 supported)
2442-222 Micro Dimmer Switch Adapter (X10 supported)
2475DA2 Ballast Dimmer (X10 supported)
2443-222 Micro On/Off Switch Adapter (X10 supported)
2452-222 DIN Rail Dimmer Switch (X10 supported)

Security:
2844-222 Motion Sensor II (no X10 support)
2852-222 Water Leak Sensor (no X10 support)
2843-222 Open/Close Sensor (no X10 support)
2868-222 Siren (no X10 support)
2982-222 Plug-In Smoke Bridge (no X10 support)
2845-222 Hidden Door Sensor (no X10 support)

Thermostat:
2441TH Wall Thermostat (no X10 support)

Keypads:
2334-222 Dimmer Keypad, 8-Button (X10 & X10 Scenes supported)
2334-232 Dimmer Keypad, 6-Button (X10 & X10 Scenes supported)
2342-222 Mini Remote Control Keypad, 8-Scene (no X10 support)
2487S On/Off Keypad, 6 Button (X10 & X10 Scenes supported)
2342-232 Mini Remote Control Keypad, 4-Scene (no X10 support)

Outlets:
2635-222 Plug-In On/Off Module (no X10 support)
2663-222 Dual On/Off Outlet (no X10 support)
2634-222 Plug-In On/Off Module, Outdoor (no X10 support)
2472D Dimmer Outlet (X10 supported)
2457D2 Plug-In Lamp Dimmer Module (no X10 support, except versions prior
to V3.6 do have X10 support)

Other Devices:
2992-222 Plug-In Range Extender (no X10 support)
2450 Plug-In Low Voltage Controller (X10 supported)
2444-222 Micro Open/Close Module (X10 supported)

Edited by - x10guru on 02/07/2021 9:25:04 PM
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arantius
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Posted - 02/13/2021 :  6:34:35 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
FYI: I was replacing an XPDI3 which is a three-wire capable X10 dimmer switch (and was installed that way).

I've now gotten my 2477D. I got an older (rev 7.7) one off of eBay to guarantee X10 compatibility for this first purchase. It's installed and working brilliantly. (It causes a very slight buzz in my track lighting's transformers at some dim levels, but nothing like the XPDI3 did. Perfectly acceptable, and silent at 100%, and never flickering.) Programming the X10 address was easy, with just three presses of the relevant "on" button after entering set mode.

Thanks for your help everyone!
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BLH
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Posted - 02/14/2021 :  04:25:39 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thank you for the update and good to see it is working for you.
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