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acima
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Posted - 08/10/2019 :  08:41:51 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I am looking for some ideas for wire-in dimmer with remote.
The dimmer will not be visible. Either go into junction box or in ceiling nearby. I am driving a 50W halogen light. It has a WAC transformer.

I found some modules like this:
http://www.skylinkstore.com/store/us/us-wireless-home-control/receivers/skylinkhome-sup-small-tm-small-sup-md-318-on-off-dimming-control.html

https://www.amazon.com/TORCHSTAR-Wireless-Remote-Light-Switch/dp/B07J4H1PRD/ref=pd_day0_hl_60_10?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B07J4H1PRD&pd_rd_r=05761e88-ce95-45ef-b5e9-da819490c0fd&pd_rd_w=A7tAB&pd_rd_wg=dc9he&pf_rd_p=ad07871c-e646-4161-82c7-5ed0d4c85b07&pf_rd_r=PM69EE1R5JCXPFY0ARH3&psc=1&refRID=PM69EE1R5JCXPFY0ARH3

Not sure about code compliance if it doesn't fit into junction box.

I know there is also the Insteon micro module. Might be $ overkill for this as I woudl need to buy remote as well.

BLH
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Posted - 08/10/2019 :  11:23:12 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
If you go with the Skylink module. You will have to buy a remote to control it. The manual for it does not show a remote in the modules package. They may have a kit with a different part number. It can also be a dimmer by changing a setup parameter. Not too sure even at On and Off the WAC transformer will be OK with it.

The Torchstar web site did not have a downloadable installation guide but the web photos show it is fairly easy to install and it is strictly On and Off.

Ether one needs the Line Neutral and Load connection in the electrical box it is installed in.
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BLH
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Posted - 08/10/2019 :  11:30:25 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The Skylink sales page says it is UL/cUL rated.
I did not see an certification on the Torchstar site, for the switch you linked to on Amazon.
https://www.torchstar.us/torchstar-wireless-remote-light-switch-kit-remote-control-and-receiver-ac-110-140v-on-off-switches-for-fluorescent-tungsten-filament-incandescent-led-light-for-residential-office-lighting.html

Both sites have a size diagram you may want to look at. For a fit into an electrical box.

Edited by - BLH on 08/10/2019 11:32:07 AM
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acima
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Posted - 08/10/2019 :  11:46:56 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
with skylink I probably need to choose any of those remotes:
http://www.skylinkstore.com/store/us/us-wireless-home-control/transmitters.html

This one states it dimms:
http://www.skylinkstore.com/store/us/us-wireless-home-control/receivers/skylinkhome-sup-small-tm-small-sup-md-318-on-off-dimming-control.html

Product dimensions are larger than expected.
7.2 x 4.9 x 2.1 inches
Would need to go outside of box...
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BLH
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Posted - 08/10/2019 :  3:23:27 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The Skylink Transmitters you linked to. Are the ones that should control the MD318 dimmer module.
They also make a MR318 if you wanted to have a relay On and Off only.

I missed the size satisfactions. Glad you found it.
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acima
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Posted - 08/10/2019 :  4:29:23 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The Insteon micro dimmer would be a lot smaller: 1.8 x 1.8 x 0.7 inches. If only the remotes had better batteries....
Possibly could even stuff it in here?
https://www.homedepot.com/p/Carlon-16-cu-in-New-Work-Round-Ceiling-Fan-Saddle-Box-CFB-16/207205361

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BLH
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Posted - 08/11/2019 :  04:31:17 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The SkyLink transmitters indicate they use a CR-2032 Lithium Cell. They may last longer than the charge for a Mini Remotes rechargeable Lithium battery.

The Insteon micro dimmer. May fit in the box you indicated. Hard to say.

Your LED's transformer is rated to be on a dimmer?

The micro dimmer may not like the transformer. Probably an in use test would show any issues.
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acima
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Posted - 08/11/2019 :  06:44:02 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I have a WAC transformer that was on a dimmer for several years (not Insteon).
I believe it is: EN-1260-R-AR
http://www.wac[ restricted ]/product/electronic-remote-transformerIt drives a 50W 12V halogen light

Looks like the Insteon is rated for Incandescent only. Which woudl limit its use today :-)
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BLH
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Posted - 08/11/2019 :  3:41:21 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The information sheet on the EN-1260-R-AR indicates it can be dimmed with an electronic low voltage dimmer. You could be right as I believe they are of a different output design.
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acima
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Posted - 08/12/2019 :  4:33:06 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I found a couple of other micro dimmers that look very similar to Insteon. I believe all z-wave. Specs seem to indicate broader compatibility
https://www.thesmartesthouse.com/products/aeon-labs-dsc19103-zwus-micro-smart-dimmer
https://www.wired4signsusa.com/products/micro-dimmer-2-zw5?variant=5422511947842
https://www.amazon.com/Qubino-Z-Wave-Flush-Dimmer-ZMNHDD3/dp/B06XF4NPFG/ref=sr_1_4?keywords=micro+dimmer&qid=1565652674&s=gateway&sr=8-4
https://www.amazon.com/Aeotec-Incandescent-Fluorescent-Optional-Consumption/dp/B06XC4CH98/ref=sr_1_12?keywords=micro+dimmer&qid=1565652705&s=gateway&sr=8-12

I wonder how the dimmer circuit differs between Insteon and above?

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BLH
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Posted - 08/13/2019 :  04:39:36 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Lutron has a web page that explains some of the differences. http://www.lutron.com/en-US/Education-Training/Pages/LCE/DimmingBasics.aspx

The ones for incandescent loads are Forward Phase Control. Turned On after the AC wave starts to go from the Zero Crossing. Probably a triac control. That once turned On will not turn Off until the voltage is below its holding voltage.

The ELV is Reverse Phase Control. On at Zero Crossing and then is turned Off during the AC wave after it has started. Not a triac as it has to be turned off during the AC cycle.

I will look at your links.

Have you looked at the original dimmers part number? Maybe it is not an ELV.

I suspect Smarthome is covering their bases. By saying Incandescent Only. Some devices that are not incandescent maybe fine on their dimmers but if not. We told you so.

Edited by - BLH on 08/13/2019 04:52:16 AM
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acima
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Posted - 08/13/2019 :  4:40:33 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
My old dimmer is at least 10 years old. Actually, I see a QC label 05. So, maybe 2005

dimango rc6000R

https://www.nuthousehardware.com/Item114686
https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16803000852
http://www.lamson-home.com/MasterCatalog/Home%20Automation%20and%20Security.pdf

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BLH
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Posted - 08/14/2019 :  04:30:58 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The rc6000R instruction sheet. Indicates it is for incandescent loads. Not specified but it is probably a Forward Phase Control.

WAC is probably covering all bases by saying ELV dimmers. It may work fine on a Forward Phase Control module like the RC6000R and not others. That way if it does not work. They have an answer to why it does not work.

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acima
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Posted - 08/16/2019 :  3:55:20 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I will give the Insteon a try.

BTW. Does this dimmer "leak" noise on the supply side? It is installed on same phase, close to smoke detector.
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Tfitzpatri8
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Posted - 08/16/2019 :  4:11:03 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Dual-band devices are all mesh network repeaters. The Insteon Micro Module will repeat and respond to signals it receives on either Rf or power line band and will transmit signals on both bands.

It’ll only ‘leak’ if you fill it with water!
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acima
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Posted - 08/16/2019 :  4:41:11 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I meant on the 110V
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acima
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Posted - 08/19/2019 :  4:23:55 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I installed the micro dimmer and my light appears to work well.
Only downfall is that my HouseLinc doesn't recognize the micro dimmer.
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SeanM
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Posted - 08/20/2019 :  09:35:55 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
It is along shot but have you tried updating the definitions file in houselinc in the last year or so? It might fix the micro module issue in houselinc:

https://www.insteon.com/support-knowledgebase/2015/5/8/fixing-unrecognized-devices-in-houselinc
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acima
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Posted - 08/20/2019 :  2:17:10 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Actually not. I had 2.9.84 and not the latest 2.9.87.

Re-adding the device is a bit a pain as I have it already installed in the ceiling. IS there a way to edit the settings xml?
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acima
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Posted - 08/20/2019 :  2:36:39 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
never mind. I added the device without removing it from HL. I did the trick. All is well now. Also resolved an issue with a toggle switch.
@SeanM: many thanks to point the new file. I thought I had the latest.
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